Resending this from yesterday re: what's my point
don't think it went through / thx kw
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From: Karen Weaver <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 18:35:46 -0400
Subject: Re: cataloging ELIS - Pittsburgh & UCLA ELIS1-3 -for those
interested-last examples
To: Open Lib/Info Sci Education Forum <[log in to unmask]>
My point here is that the UCLA set record lists in the bibliiographic
record in brackets as I noted earlier 1968 - 2003
what year was the 2nd edition ?-- Karen W
On 4/6/11, Marcia J. Bates <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Karen,
>
> The UCLA items are all individual records, and come up as separate
> records when one searches on "encyclopedia of library and
> information." It's nice that they reference related records, but
> each is itself a separate record. Thus all should be evident to the
> searcher. I don't see that these are handled as "continuations,"
> i.e., a later edition wrapped into an earlier one. So what is your
> point?
>
> Marcia
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>>Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:07:54 -0400
>>Subject: cataloging ELIS - Pittsburgh & UCLA ELIS1-3 -for those
>> interested-last examples
>>From: Karen Weaver <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: "Open Lib/Info Sci Education Forum" <[log in to unmask]>,
>> [log in to unmask]
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>>ELIS 1-3 as continuation? UCLA & Pittsburgh examples from catalogs
>>
>>I wanted to just provide 2 other examples of ELIS 1-2-3 from UCLA &
>>also from Pittsburgh libraries where we can see the first and second
>>editions on the one item holdings record.
>>UCLA has for the first original record 1968-2003 in brackets.
>>Then I have provided the record for the online resource for the 3rd
>> edition.
>>
>>Again, these are just examples all related to the original question
>>about how to determine which libraries owned ELIS-3 and what we can
>>easily find or not.
>>Sorry for all these records, but I hope they have been of some
>>further interest.
>>Many cataloging courses today seem to focus on Print and then
>>Metadata, yet it's important to also remember there are many many
>>other issues that get skipped over in our basics
>>in terms of where to look & what gets "hidden" in the process. series,
>>e-resources , print
>>
>>Also, I would think that searching local catalogs these days tends to
>>be more updated than WorldCat records would be anymore. Just sharing
>>these examples for those who are interested in the discussion on
>>cataloging ELIS 1, 2, & 3. and how to locate holdings etc
>> I hope it is of some assistance & interest in the challenges for
>>libraries today & users.
>> Best, KarenW
>>
>>Collection: UCLA Libraries and Collections
>>Search Request: Title Phrase = encyclopedia of library and information
>> science
>>Search Results: Displaying 5 of 5 entries
>>
>>000 01921cam a2200481Ma 450
>>001 6449195
>>005 20100427125410.0
>>006 m d
>>007 cr mn|---|||||
>>008 030709m20109999nyu sb 000 0 eng d
>>035 __ |a (OCoLC)ocn540380335
>>035 __ |a ucoclc540380335
>>040 __ |a COO |c COO |d OKU
>>020 __ |a 9780849397110
>>020 __ |a 0849397111
>>035 __ |a (OCoLC)540380335
>>050 _0 |a Z1006 |b .E57 2010
>>082 04 |a 020/.3 |2 22
>>049 __ |a CLYY
>>130 0_ |a Encyclopedia of library and information sciences (Online)
>>245 10 |a Encyclopedia of library and information sciences |h
>>[electronic resource].
>>250 __ |a 3rd ed. / |b Marcia J. Bates, editor-in-chief ; Mary Niles
>>Maack, associate editor.
>>260 __ |a Boca Raton, FL : |b CRC Press, |c 2010-
>>538 __ |a Mode of access: World Wide Web.
>>500 __ |a Title from homepage (last viewed March 3, 2010).
>>500 __ |a Rev. ed. of: Encyclopedia of library and information
>>science / edited by Miriam A. Drake. 2nd ed. c2003.
>>530 __ |a Online version of the 3rd ed. of the Encyclopedia, with updates.
>>530 __ |a Also available in print.
>>506 __ |a Access restricted to subscribing institutions.
>>504 __ |a Includes bibliographical references.
>>650 _0 |a Library science |v Encyclopedias.
>>650 _0 |a Information science |v Encyclopedias.
>>700 1_ |a Bates, Marcia J.
>>700 1_ |a Maack, Mary Niles.
>>730 0_ |a Encyclopedia of library and information science.
>>776 08 |i Print version: |t Encyclopedia of library and information
>>sciences. |b 3rd ed. |d Boca Raton, FL : CRC Press, c2010 |z
>>9780849397127 |w (DLC) 2009040251 |w (OCoLC)454373558
>>856 40 |z Restricted to UCLA. |u
>>http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/title~db=refwork~content=t917508581
>>|x UCLA
>>910 __ |a cmh 100427
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>>910 __ |a MARS
>>949 __ |a 6449195
>>994 __ |a C0 |b CLU
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>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>PRINT version record
>>
>>Collection: UCLA Libraries and Collections
>>Search Request: Title Phrase = encyclopedia of library and information
>> science
>>Search Results: Displaying 3 of 5 entries
>>
>>
>>000 01215cam a2200349I 450
>>001 1426
>>005 20071230203948.0
>>008 710315m19689999nyuah bd 000 0 eng
>>010 __ |a 68031232
>>020 __ |a 0824720040 (v. 4)
>>035 __ |a (OCoLC)00311902
>>035 __ |9 07-ADO-0956
>>035 __ |a ucoclc311902
>>035 __ |a 1426
>>040 __ |a DLC |c DLC |d m.c. |d CLU
>>050 0_ |a Z1006 |b .E56
>>082 0_ |a 020/.3
>>245 00 |a Encyclopedia of library and information science. |c
>>Editors: Allen Kent and Harold Lancour. Assistant editor: William Z.
>>Nasri.
>>260 __ |a New York : |b M. Dekker, |c 1968-<c2003>
>>300 __ |a v. |b illus., facsims. |c 27 cm.
>>500 __ |a Editors vary.
>>500 __ |a Vols. 68-<70> also numbered supplements 31-<33>; vol. 72
>>numbered supplement 35; vol. 73: indexes to volumes 48-72.
>>504 __ |a Includes bibliographical references.
>>650 _0 |a Library science |v Dictionaries.
>>650 _0 |a Information science |v Dictionaries.
>>700 1_ |a Kent, Allen.
>>700 1_ |a Lancour, Harold, |d 1908-
>>700 1_ |a Nasri, William Z.
>>700 1_ |a Daily, Jay Elwood.
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>>910 __ |a MARS
>>------------------------------
>>
>>University of Pittsburgh Libraries - brief item/holdings record with
>>editions 1 & 2
>>continuation/series/set record
>>
>>Title: Encyclopedia of library and information science.
>>
>>Publisher: New York, N.Y. : Marcel Dekker, Inc.,
>>
>>Physical Description:
>> v. : ill., facsims. ; 27 cm.
>>
>>LC Subject Heading(s):
>> Library science--Dictionaries--Periodicals.
>> Information science--Dictionaries--Periodicals.
>>
>>Description: Vol. 1 (1968)-
>>
>>Notes: Includes bibliographies.
>> 2nd ed. (2003)- issued in 4 or more vols.
>>
>>Location: Information Sciences Lib 316 Info Sci Bldg Reference
>> Noncirc
>>
>>Call Number: Z1006 E58
>>
>>Status: Not Checked Out
>>
>>Library has: v.1-73 [1968-2003]
>> 2nd ed.:v.1-4 [2003]
>>
>>Supplements: 2nd ed. 1st Update Supplement [2005]
>>
>>Indexes: v.1-45 | Shelved as v.46-47
>> v.48-72 | Shelved as v.73
>> ______________________________
>>======================================================
>>
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>University of Pittsburgh Libraries
>>Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
>>http://www.pitt.edu/libraries.html
>>
>>
>>
>>On 4/4/11, Marcia J. Bates <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> Karen Weaver et al.,
>>>
>>> I think there must be a misunderstanding about the question of the
>>> number of holdings listed in OCLC's WorldCat for the Encyclopedia of
>>> Library and Information Sciences. Karen, you are saying that other
>>> libraries may list ELIS3 as a continuation of the earlier editions,
>>> but I haven't found any examples of that. Indeed, even the Library
>>> of Congress lists the editions separately. I've looked under both of
>>> the specific records you point to (LC and OCLC), and they both list
>>> only the original editors and the original volume numbers. No
>>> changes in editors are listed and no volume numbers are given beyond
>>> the original number of volumes in the first edition. (There were 73
>>> volumes in the first edition, including some 40+ supplements.) In
>>> sum, there are NOT 332 copies of ELIS3 in libraries!
>>>
>>> If you search for the 3rd edition title in OCLC you find the same
>>> small set of records that I have been working off of during this
>>> whole discussion. Though they may sometimes handle things as
>> > continuations, libraries seem not to have done that with this work.
>>>
>>> By the way, I certainly value cataloging--I used to teach it, a
>>> hundred years ago or so. ;-)
>>>
>>> Marcia
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marcia J. Bates, Ph.D.
>>> Professor Emerita
>>> Fellow, American Association for the Advancement of Science
>>> Editor, Encyclopedia of Library and Information Sciences, 3rd Ed.
>>> Department of Information Studies
>>> Graduate School of Education and Information Studies
>>> University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA)
>>> Los Angeles, CA 90095-1520 USA
>>> Tel: 310-206-9353
>>> Fax: 310-206-4460
>> > Web: http://www.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/bates/
>>>
>>-------------------
>>Karen Weaver, MLS, Electronic Resources Statistician, Duquesne
>>University, Gumberg Library, Pittsburgh PA email: [log in to unmask] /
>>Gmail: [log in to unmask]
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> --
> Marcia J. Bates, Ph.D.
> Professor Emerita
> Fellow, American Association for the Advancement of Science
> Editor, Encyclopedia of Library and Information Sciences, 3rd Ed.
> Department of Information Studies
> Graduate School of Education and Information Studies
> University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA)
> Los Angeles, CA 90095-1520 USA
> Tel: 310-206-9353
> Fax: 310-206-4460
> Web: http://www.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/bates/
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