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Resending this from yesterday re: what's my point don't think it went through / thx kw ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Karen Weaver <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 18:35:46 -0400 Subject: Re: cataloging ELIS - Pittsburgh & UCLA ELIS1-3 -for those interested-last examples To: Open Lib/Info Sci Education Forum <[log in to unmask]> My point here is that the UCLA set record lists in the bibliiographic record in brackets as I noted earlier 1968 - 2003 what year was the 2nd edition ?-- Karen W On 4/6/11, Marcia J. Bates <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Karen, > > The UCLA items are all individual records, and come up as separate > records when one searches on "encyclopedia of library and > information." It's nice that they reference related records, but > each is itself a separate record. Thus all should be evident to the > searcher. I don't see that these are handled as "continuations," > i.e., a later edition wrapped into an earlier one. So what is your > point? > > Marcia > > > > > > >>X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.3 >>DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; >> d=gmail.com; s=gamma; >> h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to >> :content-type; >> bh=lEMCvuHVxFDtEGyLyZnb37i6C0BPb0RotEtZDky6k1o=; >> >> b=QomNn7LY5fNPW6GDVuSQEqrVhx5VTjNAmcDqpCNHyuFLipCB/sWhr26JSG0rhVPFZy >> >> 4m+sG8TePTDvV88eGEqDU9coMLgIwEIkDdq6JK3H4H1TM5wDz2exaYsjb27MNyXUTj7Z >> wFbQHWswZRkIrohRVpqIk5GFSCFp5LqZcqna4= >>Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:07:54 -0400 >>Subject: cataloging ELIS - Pittsburgh & UCLA ELIS1-3 -for those >> interested-last examples >>From: Karen Weaver <[log in to unmask]> >>To: "Open Lib/Info Sci Education Forum" <[log in to unmask]>, >> [log in to unmask] >>X-Probable-Spam: no >> >>ELIS 1-3 as continuation? UCLA & Pittsburgh examples from catalogs >> >>I wanted to just provide 2 other examples of ELIS 1-2-3 from UCLA & >>also from Pittsburgh libraries where we can see the first and second >>editions on the one item holdings record. >>UCLA has for the first original record 1968-2003 in brackets. >>Then I have provided the record for the online resource for the 3rd >> edition. >> >>Again, these are just examples all related to the original question >>about how to determine which libraries owned ELIS-3 and what we can >>easily find or not. >>Sorry for all these records, but I hope they have been of some >>further interest. >>Many cataloging courses today seem to focus on Print and then >>Metadata, yet it's important to also remember there are many many >>other issues that get skipped over in our basics >>in terms of where to look & what gets "hidden" in the process. series, >>e-resources , print >> >>Also, I would think that searching local catalogs these days tends to >>be more updated than WorldCat records would be anymore. Just sharing >>these examples for those who are interested in the discussion on >>cataloging ELIS 1, 2, & 3. and how to locate holdings etc >> I hope it is of some assistance & interest in the challenges for >>libraries today & users. >> Best, KarenW >> >>Collection: UCLA Libraries and Collections >>Search Request: Title Phrase = encyclopedia of library and information >> science >>Search Results: Displaying 5 of 5 entries >> >>000 01921cam a2200481Ma 450 >>001 6449195 >>005 20100427125410.0 >>006 m d >>007 cr mn|---||||| >>008 030709m20109999nyu sb 000 0 eng d >>035 __ |a (OCoLC)ocn540380335 >>035 __ |a ucoclc540380335 >>040 __ |a COO |c COO |d OKU >>020 __ |a 9780849397110 >>020 __ |a 0849397111 >>035 __ |a (OCoLC)540380335 >>050 _0 |a Z1006 |b .E57 2010 >>082 04 |a 020/.3 |2 22 >>049 __ |a CLYY >>130 0_ |a Encyclopedia of library and information sciences (Online) >>245 10 |a Encyclopedia of library and information sciences |h >>[electronic resource]. >>250 __ |a 3rd ed. / |b Marcia J. Bates, editor-in-chief ; Mary Niles >>Maack, associate editor. >>260 __ |a Boca Raton, FL : |b CRC Press, |c 2010- >>538 __ |a Mode of access: World Wide Web. >>500 __ |a Title from homepage (last viewed March 3, 2010). >>500 __ |a Rev. ed. of: Encyclopedia of library and information >>science / edited by Miriam A. Drake. 2nd ed. c2003. >>530 __ |a Online version of the 3rd ed. of the Encyclopedia, with updates. >>530 __ |a Also available in print. >>506 __ |a Access restricted to subscribing institutions. >>504 __ |a Includes bibliographical references. >>650 _0 |a Library science |v Encyclopedias. >>650 _0 |a Information science |v Encyclopedias. >>700 1_ |a Bates, Marcia J. >>700 1_ |a Maack, Mary Niles. >>730 0_ |a Encyclopedia of library and information science. >>776 08 |i Print version: |t Encyclopedia of library and information >>sciences. |b 3rd ed. |d Boca Raton, FL : CRC Press, c2010 |z >>9780849397127 |w (DLC) 2009040251 |w (OCoLC)454373558 >>856 40 |z Restricted to UCLA. |u >>http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/title~db=refwork~content=t917508581 >>|x UCLA >>910 __ |a cmh 100427 >>910 __ |a ACQ >>910 __ |a MARS >>949 __ |a 6449195 >>994 __ |a C0 |b CLU >>948 __ |a cmc |b cmh |c 20100427 |d 2 |e in >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>PRINT version record >> >>Collection: UCLA Libraries and Collections >>Search Request: Title Phrase = encyclopedia of library and information >> science >>Search Results: Displaying 3 of 5 entries >> >> >>000 01215cam a2200349I 450 >>001 1426 >>005 20071230203948.0 >>008 710315m19689999nyuah bd 000 0 eng >>010 __ |a 68031232 >>020 __ |a 0824720040 (v. 4) >>035 __ |a (OCoLC)00311902 >>035 __ |9 07-ADO-0956 >>035 __ |a ucoclc311902 >>035 __ |a 1426 >>040 __ |a DLC |c DLC |d m.c. |d CLU >>050 0_ |a Z1006 |b .E56 >>082 0_ |a 020/.3 >>245 00 |a Encyclopedia of library and information science. |c >>Editors: Allen Kent and Harold Lancour. Assistant editor: William Z. >>Nasri. >>260 __ |a New York : |b M. Dekker, |c 1968-<c2003> >>300 __ |a v. |b illus., facsims. |c 27 cm. >>500 __ |a Editors vary. >>500 __ |a Vols. 68-<70> also numbered supplements 31-<33>; vol. 72 >>numbered supplement 35; vol. 73: indexes to volumes 48-72. >>504 __ |a Includes bibliographical references. >>650 _0 |a Library science |v Dictionaries. >>650 _0 |a Information science |v Dictionaries. >>700 1_ |a Kent, Allen. >>700 1_ |a Lancour, Harold, |d 1908- >>700 1_ |a Nasri, William Z. >>700 1_ |a Daily, Jay Elwood. >>910 __ |a cpk 030529r31 |a cmh 021223r30 |a ar 001003r28 >>935 __ |a MC2082743 |a TC0021033 |b GL0001460 |c ABY-7554 >>910 __ |a MARS >>------------------------------ >> >>University of Pittsburgh Libraries - brief item/holdings record with >>editions 1 & 2 >>continuation/series/set record >> >>Title: Encyclopedia of library and information science. >> >>Publisher: New York, N.Y. : Marcel Dekker, Inc., >> >>Physical Description: >> v. : ill., facsims. ; 27 cm. >> >>LC Subject Heading(s): >> Library science--Dictionaries--Periodicals. >> Information science--Dictionaries--Periodicals. >> >>Description: Vol. 1 (1968)- >> >>Notes: Includes bibliographies. >> 2nd ed. (2003)- issued in 4 or more vols. >> >>Location: Information Sciences Lib 316 Info Sci Bldg Reference >> Noncirc >> >>Call Number: Z1006 E58 >> >>Status: Not Checked Out >> >>Library has: v.1-73 [1968-2003] >> 2nd ed.:v.1-4 [2003] >> >>Supplements: 2nd ed. 1st Update Supplement [2005] >> >>Indexes: v.1-45 | Shelved as v.46-47 >> v.48-72 | Shelved as v.73 >> ______________________________ >>====================================================== >> >>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>University of Pittsburgh Libraries >>Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania >>http://www.pitt.edu/libraries.html >> >> >> >>On 4/4/11, Marcia J. Bates <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> Karen Weaver et al., >>> >>> I think there must be a misunderstanding about the question of the >>> number of holdings listed in OCLC's WorldCat for the Encyclopedia of >>> Library and Information Sciences. Karen, you are saying that other >>> libraries may list ELIS3 as a continuation of the earlier editions, >>> but I haven't found any examples of that. Indeed, even the Library >>> of Congress lists the editions separately. I've looked under both of >>> the specific records you point to (LC and OCLC), and they both list >>> only the original editors and the original volume numbers. No >>> changes in editors are listed and no volume numbers are given beyond >>> the original number of volumes in the first edition. (There were 73 >>> volumes in the first edition, including some 40+ supplements.) In >>> sum, there are NOT 332 copies of ELIS3 in libraries! >>> >>> If you search for the 3rd edition title in OCLC you find the same >>> small set of records that I have been working off of during this >>> whole discussion. Though they may sometimes handle things as >> > continuations, libraries seem not to have done that with this work. >>> >>> By the way, I certainly value cataloging--I used to teach it, a >>> hundred years ago or so. ;-) >>> >>> Marcia >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Marcia J. Bates, Ph.D. >>> Professor Emerita >>> Fellow, American Association for the Advancement of Science >>> Editor, Encyclopedia of Library and Information Sciences, 3rd Ed. >>> Department of Information Studies >>> Graduate School of Education and Information Studies >>> University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) >>> Los Angeles, CA 90095-1520 USA >>> Tel: 310-206-9353 >>> Fax: 310-206-4460 >> > Web: http://www.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/bates/ >>> >>------------------- >>Karen Weaver, MLS, Electronic Resources Statistician, Duquesne >>University, Gumberg Library, Pittsburgh PA email: [log in to unmask] / >>Gmail: [log in to unmask] > > > -- > Marcia J. Bates, Ph.D. > Professor Emerita > Fellow, American Association for the Advancement of Science > Editor, Encyclopedia of Library and Information Sciences, 3rd Ed. > Department of Information Studies > Graduate School of Education and Information Studies > University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) > Los Angeles, CA 90095-1520 USA > Tel: 310-206-9353 > Fax: 310-206-4460 > Web: http://www.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/bates/ > >