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I normally don't respond to JESSE but if you're talking about the master of library science degree being required of schools who wanted ALA accreditation, you'd be looking at 1972. I know because I went back to meet that requirement at the time. I already had a Bachelor of Library Science degree but figured I'd become a Dodo without the masters. Unlike today, at that time, you could walk into just about any library and they'd hire you on the spot. "Those were the days my friend..." Although this is speculation on my part, I suspect that the masters degree requirement at that time came about because a lot of professions were moving in that direction, e.g. MBA, MPA, accountancy, nursing, education. I do have a PhD in Higher Ed Admin but forgot most of the history course that I took way back whenever. If you want verification of the why or reasons for the shift, you might consult the COA office at ALA. They must have records of COA discussions from those good old days. Anne Woodsworth Editor, *Advances in Librarianship* On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Miriam Kahn <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Have you looked in Sidney Jackson's history of libraries and librarianship? > I know I've read information about credentials in some of the library > history materials. I think the Masters degree was required by the 1930s. > > Miriam Kahn > > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Gretchen Whitney <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 21:07:32 -0500 >> From: "Martens, Betsy V." <[log in to unmask]> >> To: Open Lib/Info Sci Education Forum <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: RE: History: MLS, MIS, MS, etc >> >> ------------------ John Richardson's entry, "History of American Library >> Science: its Origins and Early Development," in the Encyclopedia of Library >> and Information Science, edited by Mary N. Maack and Marcia Bates (Francis >> and Taylor, 2010), addresses some of these questions, and is certainly a >> most useful reference. >> >> Betsy Martens >> >> >> >> Betsy Van der Veer Martens, Ph.D. >> Associate Professor >> School of Library and Information Studies >> University of Oklahoma >> 4502 East 41st Street, Room 1J30 >> Tulsa, Oklahoma 74135 >> >> (918) 660-3376 >> http://slis.ou.edu >> >> ______________________________**__________ >> From: Open Lib/Info Sci Education Forum [[log in to unmask]] on >> behalf of Gretchen Whitney [[log in to unmask]] >> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 7:41 PM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: History: MLS, MIS, MS, etc >> >> >> Greetings, and Happy Holidays. >> >> I am looking for references to the history of library education. I >> have >> a colleague who is interested in when the Master's degree was required for >> a librarian, rather than the Bachelor's degree. I could not answer his >> question. I do not know when, nor how, this transition happened. While I >> can remember reading this literature in the 1970s, I can't recall it nor >> justify the distinction now. >> >> Background: I ran into an interesting conversation a few days ago that >> was debating the need for a master's degree in library education (and I am >> being very specific in not saying LIS education) and the need for a >> master's degree as opposed to a bachelors degree for working in, and even >> running, a library. >> >> I am asking the iSchools to stay OUT of this discussion for now. This >> concerns library schools. This concerns schools, both graduate and >> undergraduate, who are trying to educate librarians. >> >> The conversation is at >> >> http://21stcenturylibrary.com/**2011/12/19/why-not-a-** >> bachelors-in-library-science/<http://21stcenturylibrary.com/2011/12/19/why-not-a-bachelors-in-library-science/> >> >> I could not answer their questions about why a master's degree was >> required. I could recall vague ideas about why a librarian needed to have >> a subject specialty because understanding library science underlaid all of >> the other disciplines. And the collaboratory in a library of these >> subject specialties with the understanding of library sciences made the >> building work. >> >> I can't refer this colleague to a history of why librarians need a >> master's degree rather than an undergraduate degree. Neither the ALISE >> nor ASIST website is a help. I have no idea where to send him/her >> >> Can someone refer me to a decent explanation of why the Master's degree >> is needed to be a "librarian" (and I use the quotes specifically), >> historically or in present terms, and why a Bachelor's degree would not >> suffice? >> >> Have a great holiday. >> --gw >> >> PS This is a library education problem. I ask the iSchools to stay out of >> it for a while. IT issues will come in later. >> >> --ggww >> >> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>**<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>** >> <><><><><><><> >> Gretchen Whitney, PhD, Retired >> School of Information Sciences >> University of Tennessee, Knoxville TN 37996 USA >> [log in to unmask] >> http://web.utk.edu/~gwhitney/ >> jESSE:http://web.utk.edu/~**gwhitney/jesse.html<http://web.utk.edu/~gwhitney/jesse.html> >> SIGMETRICS:http://web.utk.edu/**~gwhitney/sigmetrics.html<http://web.utk.edu/~gwhitney/sigmetrics.html> >> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>**<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>** >> <><><><><><><> >> >> > > > -- > Miriam Kahn > MBK Consulting > 60 N Harding Road > Columbus, OH 43209-1524 > 614-239-8977 cell 614-579-9855 > [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask] > www.mbkcons.com >