As the holder of the Columbia DLS, let me tell you that requirements for that degree were exactly the same, if not more, than the requirements of the Ph.D at the same or other similar institutions. 60 credits beyond BA/BS, qualifying exams for three days, TWO FOREIGN LANGUAGE exams, submission of proposal, defense of the proposal, dissertation and defense of the dissertation. Columbia developed a system a very long time ago where engineers, librarians and all other graduates of "professional" schools would receive doctorates, e.g., DLS, and Eng. Sc. D. while arts and sciences grads received a Ph.D. In my home, between my husband, a chemical engineer, and I, we have one of each and we feel quite good about these degrees. Their value is exactly the same as that of the PhD, if not higher and it has not changed over time. If anything, it has increased.
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Marianne Cooper
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Got what I think is a quick question that dates me terribly. Was thinking this morning about professional doctorates (e.g., EdD, JD, PsyD,Doctor of Nursing Practice) that seem to be coming out of the woodwork these days, and the DLS (Doctor of Library Science or Doctor of Library Service) came to mind. It was my understanding that it was the only doctorate that Columbia offered when they had a library science program, and the last person that I knew who held one was a person who got his at Southern Cal before that school closed. There it was a way around the university requirement that PhD programs have residential requirements. My question is, do any of these programs still exist. I know that Simmons has a DA program, but is that the only non-PhD doctoral program offered by LIS programs these days? No reason for wanting to know, just curious.
Del Williams
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Interesting discussion. The answers in my (albeit limited) experience would be no, and no. However, the discussion makes me question whether the responses from the students may be subliminally linked. Most theory grows and develops from earlier theory, or has, at least, some relationship with other theories. To really understand theory one needs to engage with past writing - the original on the theory and subsequent developments. To not go back beyond 2006, how could one engage thoughtfully and in an informed way with (almost) any theory or theoretical framework? Certainly most would be unable to be read in the original .... Or perhaps in another sense - I have heard a student claim that they were using grounded theory and so didn’t need a theoretical framework (which of course provoked an interesting discussion itself). And finally J, perhaps the first student was only understanding theory, or theoretical frameworks in the narrowest possible sense...
Cheerio
Mary Anne
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Subject: Doctoral Expectations and Frameworks
Two incidents in the past month lead me to raise a question on this list about doctoral studies. I want to be very careful to frame the question so that it is clear that I am seeking to understand expectations not to criticize them.
At a recent doctoral student presentation the candidate was asked about the theoretical framework for the study. The response was that the institution did not require a theoretical framework (for some of us this is a distinguishing feature between master’s and doctoral work). Is this the case at your institution? Is this a change?
Today a doctoral student from another institution asked me about recent research in a specific area. The institution “requires that I use research no further back than the year 2006.” (I will set aside whether there is any relationship between the topic of study and the date prescription.) Again, is this the case at your institution? Is this a change?
I have not encountered these before and wonder if there are changes underway or I am less aware of expectations elsewhere or whether these are unique.
Thank you.
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