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I agree completely with Paul - I view Deep Freeze as more of a long term preservation solution for the computers... I don't have to re-image them every week because various pieces of software found their way through the group policies. Virus protection is still important for the reasons he noted. Thanks, Scott James, IT Specialist Sheppard Memorial Library 530 Evans Street Greenville, NC 27858 Office: 252.329.4879 | Mobile: 252.481.3215 | Fax: 252.329.4309 [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Library NT [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of GRAY, PAUL Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 1:19 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Deep Freeze and anti-virus software Short answer -- YES you need both - especially if it is on a network. Deep Freeze does a WONDERFUL job of cleaning up any changes - intentional or unintentional made on a machine. Love it -- would not want to have to to my job without it. BUT - Deep Freeze does NOT BLOCK anything from coming into your computer. Unless you reboot your system several times a day - Virsuses, Malware, can still invade your system - compromise information - spread itself to the patron's jump drive etc before you ever have a reason to reboot. To me - Deep Freeze is a supplement to -- not a substitute for standard safety practices. Opinions stated are my own etc etc etc Paul H Gray TCC NE Library Hurst, Tx ________________________________ From: Library NT [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hartung, Steven [[log in to unmask]] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:09 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [LIBNT-L] Deep Freeze and anti-virus software Can I expand Gretchen's question and ask if anyone is using Deep Freeze as the only solution in protecting their machines, or if you find the need to continue with a virus protection software as well. Thanks. Steven Hartung Pamunkey Regional Library 804.537.6214 office 804.537.6389 fax From: Library NT [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sylvia MacKenzie Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:58 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [LIBNT-L] Deep Freeze We have used Deepfreeze at our library for over 10 years and have had no problems with it. Currently we are using deepfreeze version 6 which allows you to do administration from one computer to all your public computers. We use it on over 100 computers. Deepfreeze works on Vista and windows 7 as well as XP I wouldn't recommend steady state as it is only for XP and vista. Microsoft won't be continuing its use on Windows 7. We tried on different computers and had a lot of problems with it. It may be free but not worth the aggravation for the problems it caused. What steady state is - is a really locked down guest account so you will run into limitations with it and problems using some of the operating system whereas deepfreeze doesn't do that. Faronics offers discounts for libraries for volume licensing. We use PC Reservation and their print management system and it doesn't affect it at all. Deepfreeze also works on 64 bit systems You can download an evaluation from www.faronics.com<http://www.faronics.com> if you want to test it. Sylvia MacKenzie Colchseter East Hants Public Library Truro NS Canada From: Library NT [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Vermeersch, Scott M. Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 1:25 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [LIBNT-L] Deep Freeze You may also want to look at Microsoft SteadyState. Similar to Deepfreeze but free. Scott Vermeersch Systems Analyst Mayo Clinic Libraries E-mail: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> __________________________ Mayo Clinic 200 First Street SW Rochester, MN 55905 www.mayoclinic.org<http://www.mayoclinic.org/> ________________________________ From: Library NT [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Wong, Channing Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 11:07 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [LIBNT-L] Deep Freeze We use deep freeze with library online and trend micro. It works fine in that setup. If any problems or virus warnings come up staff can just restart the machine and it'll be like nothing has happened. The only real issue is scheduling updates to be done as the machines are frozen. This includes windows updates or any software installed including trend. There is a scheduler to setup update times. It is a good product. They will to unifying their management console eventually so I'm told so you can admin all their software from one panel. On Apr 5, 2010, at 9:00 AM, "Gretchen Garcia - LIBRARY" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Good morning LibNT! ;-) I am curious about your stories (good and bad) about using Deep Freeze in your environment. Especially if you have your public machines on a domain and use any sort of PC access management system (We are using SAM.) We are currently running XP and using Trend Micro as our Anti-virus. We seem to be running into walls using our current solution and we're not getting the response we would like from the vendor. Any and all stories (again, good, bad and ugly) would be appreciated. ;-) Thanks much! Thanks, Gretchen Garcia MCLD IT Services [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> http://www.mcldaz.org "There are 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't." =) Email Disclaimer: http://www.co.marin.ca.us/nav/misc/EmailDisclaimer.cfm